[Approved] Clean Slate (Space ••••)

[aranok]

Practice: Unraveling
Action: Instant; subtract target's Composure
Duration: Lasting
Aspect: Vulgar
Cost: 1 mana

Similar to Destroy the Threads (Space •••, pg 237 MtA) except that the mage attempts to destroy all the sympathetic threads surrounding himself or object in one fell swoop. Rather than picking an choosing the threads to be destroyed, the caster effectively removes the target from "existence" for an instantaneous moment in such a way that all the sympathetic threads surrounding it unravel like cobwebs around a flame. In fact, when the spell is cast, the object fades out of sight for a brief moment. New threads begin immediately forming however, (sensory range) beginning with the place the target is at, the caster, and any objects or people around the target. At Space 5, the caster can cast Clean Slate on living targets other than him/herself. Successes determine the levels of sympathy that can be effectively eliminated. This spell is not cast lightly, for it is a double-edged sword destroying both wanted and unwanted sympathetic connections at the same time.

2 sux --- all Described connections
4 sux ---all Encountered connections
6 sux --- all Acquainted connections
8 sux --- all Known connections
10 sux --- all Intimate connections

Manipulation+Investigation+Space
Guardians of the Veil rote: "To Be Without"
It has been said that this rote was originally developed by the Quiet and handed down through the ages. Of coarse, that is merely a speculation, since the Quiet doesn't exist. Or do they? In any case, Guardians who play to their paranoid nature often make ample use of this rote. The Subtle Ones legacy has their own version of this rote which uses Subterfuge instead of Investigation.

[MarcD]

This looks pretty cool, no objections from me.

[CrowMn]

I'm a fan.

[TroyR]

Yes.
But I must ask why Described Sympathetic connections require Mind 2 in conjunction?

[aranok]

Yes.
But I must ask why Described Sympathetic connections require Mind 2 in conjunction?

Because they only exist....in your mind! I dunno. I really didn't know how one even goes about fraying a described sympathetic connection, or if it even would matter if the threads were destroyed. The next step beyond described is Unknown so like, to move a Described connection to Unknown, not only would you have to destroy the threads, you would have to somehow "forget" about whatever it is you had a description of. That's my logic. The threads are basically third party in a sense. Someone had Encountered or better sympathy to -whatever- and then described the -whatever- to you, passing along that bit of sympathy. Its mage. Trying to pin logic on magic is a fool's errand I guess.

[Krathen]

This seem to me a lot like the oWoD mage ability of arcane merit at very high levels, basically, couldn't this essentially make it so that your family and friends forget you entirely as you lose all connections to the world. I would suppose only an Archmaster could accidentally erase himself should he sever all sympathetic connections in the world, but still...

[aranok]

Yeah....thats why i was kind of debating having it eliminate Described connections because i was generally unfamiliar with the consequences. Its not very well defined in any of the books exactly what denotes a described connection and if they are removed with Destroy Threads, what happens? Does that person forget? How does space affect your memory? Both are arcana from the same realm, understandably, but what does that mean? Can mind affect space and vice versa?

[Krathen]

Well, I think you aren't directly affecting the memory of the person it's more, they can no longer link their memories to you. So they remember you, but have no way of linking that memory to you...
It'd be like they remember you, but if you show up again within their sphere of influence and are forced to remember something about you, the connection would probably re-link... or the memory may be permanantly severed and they are unable to link the two.

[aranok]

Right. So like, if someone describes your mage to another person, and you destroy that described sympathy, that person wont necessarily be able to act on that sympathy (i.e. the description) until the threads are reformed. Okay, my question is, what do you think would constitute the threads into re-forming? Would, for example, something as simple as an Int+comp memory roll on behalf of that person be appropriate to acquire a described connection once again to your mage?


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[TroyR]

Right. So like, if someone describes your mage to another person, and you destroy that described sympathy, that person wont necessarily be able to act on that sympathy (i.e. the description) until the threads are reformed. Okay, my question is, what do you think would constitute the threads into re-forming? Would, for example, something as simple as an Int+comp memory roll on behalf of that person be appropriate to acquire a described connection once again to your mage?


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That sounds good.

[Krathen]

If someone was also there who knew it, could they re-describe your mage? Hmmm

[aranok]

I dont see why not. Its such a terribly weak connection. Even with a true name.

[apavlides24]

As I understand it, people don't forget you. You just sever the connections as space arcanum goes. Your mother still loves you and all, and remembers you and would call to complain that you never call back, ask if you're eating well etc.
It's just that a mage looking for connections while you're in the room with your mother would see nada.

IMO whatever you do to the connections themselves, you don't affect others. It's NOT Arcane that affected people's minds and how reality itself adapted to you.